How This Travel Blogger Balances Mindfulness with Income Goals

Running a travel blog can often feel like a race against everyone.

Jenn Fisher, of Jenn Fisher Books, has struggled with the pressure of creating content on others’ timeline to “compete” to get to Mediavine. She took her own advice from her mindful travel blog to find a balance between content creation and taking time to live her life fully.

Jenn shares her tips for starting out as a recent beginner, navigating the overwhelming amount of information, and creating mindful income and traffic goals to prevent burn out.

We cover it all in this great interview. Get ready to be inspired to blog at your own pace!

Topics Covered

• Starting a travel blog with a focus on healing through nature and mindful travel
• The evolution of JennFisherBooks.com from its inception to its current focus on empowering trauma survivors and autoimmune warriors
• Overcoming the challenges of learning WordPress and the technical aspects of blogging
• The decision to seek help through the Profitable Part-Time Blogger program and its impact
• The importance of adjusting your goals to be realistic and self-compassionate rather than competitive
• The benefits of being part of a supportive blogging community
• Strategies for dealing with technical challenges and improving blog efficiency
• Balancing the quest for blog traffic and income with the core mission of helping others
• Navigating the ups and downs of blog traffic and the constant changes in Google’s algorithms
• Encouragement for new bloggers to join supportive communities and stay focused on their unique visions

Links and Resources

• Jenn Fisher Books
• Profitable Part-Time Blogger

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Nina: Hi, my name is Nina Clapperton and welcome back to She Knows SEO. Today I’ll be interviewing Jenn Fisher of jennfisherbooks.com. Jenn is a student of mine in the Profitable Part-Time Blogger and she runs a mindful travel website, where she explores healing yourself through nature and enjoying travel in a little bit of a different way than we traditionally see.

I had a lot of fun chatting with Jenn all about her travel style, managing a business with a disability – I mean I’ve been there still there – and also like talking about how to adjust your goals so that they are realistic for you and not just like competing with other people.

This is a great interview about mindset and I cannot wait for y’all to dive in. I’ll see you in there!

Hey everybody I’m here today with Jenn Fisher and we’re going to be talking about starting a travel blog and Jenn’s journey throughout her blog. So hi Jenn thank you for joining me.

Jenn: Thanks for having me.

Nina: So Jenn founded Jenn Fisher Books which for a minute I thought it was Brooks, like I thought that was your last name and then I realized it was you booking travel. But I want to introduce you to everybody.

Jenn is one of my Profitable Part-Time Blogger students and Jenn has been crushing it with her blog lately and doing something a little bit different than I think most people do. So, Jenn, do you want to tell us about how you got into your blog and a bit more about your blog.

Jenn: Sure of course. So on my blog I explained that books came from the fact that I’ve always wanted to be a writer, switched gears somewhere along the way because switching from an author to booking travel seemed to be fun. You know? And it had a little Zing to it for me and I love and it was my email address for all these years so I just felt that like okay I’m not writing books. It’s not a noun, it’s a verb so thought that was fun and so along the way um I kind of accidentally found that solo travel was very healing for me as a trauma survivor and an autoimmune warrior.

I realized that traveling is extremely empowering and I realized I could help other women you know find their way too. And I’ve always camped and hiked and during a very a heavy time, I call it like my dark ages of my life, I did a lot of hiking and found a lot of comfort in nature and a lot of time with myself which plays into my mental health with recovering from codependency and learning how to develop a relationship with myself, be with myself.

And then the transformation that happened switching from you know short trips to bigger trips and then I started to feel the call you know to want to write about that and share my journey. And it has evolved into more focusing on helping trauma survivors and also you know linking that into women who like myself you know were very overwhelmed with the idea of going to, for example the desert in the summer. You know very hot climates also going to cold climates.

So I found an endless supply of topics to hopefully inspire and help other travelers.

Nina: That’s amazing. I love to hear it and I do think that having a kind of reason like that, something that’s so important to you, is so beneficial to launching something that yeah it’s hard to launch. That is a challenging thing to begin and I love that you’re documenting it for other women to kind of be able to do the same thing.

Now I believe you started your blog a year or two ago is that right?

Jenn: So I started it two summers ago so that was about 18 months ago um and then literally abandon it for a year. I sat with it and said I just don’t know what I’m supposed to do with it so when I started.

I literally went online and did how to start a blog and followed the steps from two husband and wife team, got Siteground and then I had to learn WordPress and it was so frustrating. It was so frustrating. Everything took so long and every time I tried to solve one you know problem, it would lead me to five more that I didn’t know how to fix, you know, so I was just going down one rabbit hole after another, but I got about five articles up and then I just walked away cause I just didn’t know what I was supposed to do next.

Mostly like internally I wasn’t sure what I was supposed to do with it, but externally I just knew something was wrong. And then about a year later I went to Oregon and did a lot of hiking again solo hiking and the answers just started to come. So I tried it by myself for another two months with a completely different focus and then I was like I need help. And I found your course and I drove right in.

So from November till now I I’m only about 20% done on the course but I’m not in a hurry. That’s kind of my slow and steady wins the race philosophy. And I found immediately that I was getting sucked in.

There’s a lot um, for me I noticed there’s just a lot of subconscious like hurry up and get in Mediavine or hurry up and um get this traffic and that traffic. And I appreciate the course talks about it a lot because it’s like oh okay, I knew I was obsessing about it but I didn’t know that was a problem or I wasnot the only one and you know.

So the the um the the mental health advice along way, the just emotional support is just what I feel people share all the time for feedback on the Facebook page you know around it’s not just a course teach how to do things. Like it encompasses, it goes so much deeper you know, like this interview.

It’s just I think it’s so great. It’s like a collective you know more than just a community, but also you know just a little deeper too.

Nina: Yeah I mean that’s definitely the goal because blogging can feel so lonely. It really, I think the whole idea of like “I don’t know what to do next” is super common for people. Like especially with free stuff people put out there it’s quite disjointed. I had the same feeling when like I started mine sitting in my mom’s old dog bed for her dog like, I don’t know I love dogs so my initial site was founded in a dog bed in someone else’s house in Toronto, and yeah you always feel like you’re racing for this deadline.

And not everyone needs to do things that fast, and not everyone needs to compete. I think that’s kind of the beauty of having any group or any support system is not focusing so much on the competition, even just with yourself, but focusing on the community and growth.

And with something like your blog the importance isn’t necessarily that you make a million dollars in five minutes. It’s helping people over time too and that does take time for sure.

Like I think people look at me as well and go “Nina did it all in six months”. And I’m like I’m very careful to say I did four years of utter nonsense first, you’ve got to mess things up to for it to do anything good.

Jenn: Yeah it’s hard when you come in on the back end like somebody like me who’s like well I know you said that but I didn’t know you then.

Nina: No that’s very fair, yeah I mean. I like to pretend to have it all together now, even now sometimes things feel like a hot mess just of me doing a million things.

But it is it’s hard and I think it especially tends to be the loudest voices are the ones that are like pushing the most for “I need to get this done immediately” or “it needs to be tomorrow”. But like Mediavine will still be there and I love the idea too of setting like your own schedule and setting your own pace for it.

Jenn: Yeah like I have the idea to just run my own race and I’m not, I used to run but like it just resonated with me you know, but I love that you’re very authentic and real like when I do share what I’m doing with the course for my blog, I’m like she doesn’t care she’s very transparent you know and I can relate to that. Like I’m older, I’m hopefully a little wiser, I can relate to you know depth and authenticity and support and healthy, you know like with the tapping that one of the main things that I did for the tapping workshop you offered for setting goal I used to set goals for 2024 was to not rush.

But I still was rushing you know, even though I was doing the affirmations every day, it’s just just a journey. Even though I write about that, most of my blogs are about you know understanding the mindful pace but I’m human. And I just love that I feel safe in the community you know I really do even though I put pressure on myself. I feel that the course and the community offers me support to help me reground. Like that’s why I’m here, so it’s so much more than just information.

All I was looking for the course mainly was so I didn’t feel so alone and I wasn’t like trying to figure out code and URLs. I know I drive you crazy with the permallinks – I drive myself crazy.

Nina: Everyone always one of their first issues is basically always a permalink or a menu, because like those are the things we mess up at the beginning.

Jenn: Yeah and I mean some things come very easily but like when I was starting to change the titles and when you posted that like video, I was like thank you! And there’s sometimes I’m like forget it, I’m just leaving it because redirecting URLs forget it. Like that’s what I used to do for, like it wasn’t a long time – it was only about two months – but trying to figure that stuff out by myself it created a lot of anxiety and stress.

And I was like no I’m not doing that. This isn’t good self-care for me.

Nina: And I think that’s the case any site to be honest though, is that like you do what you can do and then if something’s really a block for you or it is causing a ton of anxiety like just leave it for now.

I mean last year I got roasted for most of the year for having a broken link to my YouTube channel on She Knows SEO. Like everywhere on the site. And it got to the point where like I was like “I’m mad people keep telling me this is broken” and at the time I didn’t really post, so I was like so I don’t really care about fixing it. So I kept just getting indignant about it.

And then I was like you know what no, it turns out this is a block for me. Because I feel bad about my YouTube channel not being very good and I had to like undo that but for a long time I just didn’t touch it because it didn’t make sense to me and even on YouTube now, like I don’t optimize thumbnails really, I don’t do what a lot of other people do, cause it’s not what I care about and I can still produce great content around it.

And like you are producing great content that is so beneficial for people. Like people I definitely recommend checking out Jenn’s site. We are going to link it in the description so it’ll be there but it’s Jenn Fisher Books.

There is a lot about self-healing and nature, and people need to read this. They don’t necessarily care about a perma link and to Google it matters somewhat, but it’s like – this is the thing I teach 120% of what you should do like to be perfect for Google.

Most of us are going to fall around 70 to 80% and that’s understandable.

You don’t need to worry but like it’s very funny, people in all my groups will be like “this is a dumb question” or “I’m sorry for bothering you”. I’m like you’re not bothering if you have the question!

I’d rather you ask it and it’s important to help. And I totally understand everyone’s a different type of learner so yeah I made a quick loom video for you on how to do it, because also to be honest I didn’t know how to explain it with words. I was like I think this is easiest.

So now I’ve learned like it’s much more effective to ask very direct questions like and you know even that is a little bit of a, just you know the the blog has taught me so much about so many other areas of my life – specifically self-sufficiency. Even though the Facebook and the community are very inclusive and very like connected, it also has taught me a lot of independence for technology and independence with finding my own. Like it’s crazy how it’s branched out you know.

And I was just going to circle back to one thing when you said the the word perfect for Google and I know for a fact like perfectionism started creeping in for me with the blog. And I see it sometimes in other people. Now I can recognize in other people because I was seeing I was slipping in. And it doesn’t help with like ahrefs and all they give you so much scores all the time. It’s like stop judging me! And then once I optimized all my blog posts through like a All in SEO and they were all green lights, I’m like okay I’m great to go.

And then I was like okay that really doesn’t do much for when I learn more. I’m like now I have a whole other thing to be perfect for. It it’s like no, I don’t have to be perfect. I don’t have to be perfect at all. It’s just being aware that there’s these outside influences. But it’s my responsibility to recognize them and pull back you know. And then learn from them and hopefully help someone else, which is what I think you’ve done as a mentor 100%.

Nina: I’m glad to be like that because I’m not perfect I know it so I don’t want anyone thinking they have to be. But I do think you’re right like when you hear everyone talking about stuff like even on a podcast interview or something, someone is coming on to talk about like their one area of expertise and then you do feel you’re like “oh my God, like now I need to be perfect at that”.

I remember in 2023 Kyle Roof was doing the rounds with like schema and EEAT stuff. And early on in 2023 was talking about like author pages and SameAs schema, and I was like what like “what is this?” And like obviously I was lucky to be successful and not need that – I don’t know that everyone definitely needs it anyway. It’s like, it helps, but it’s not secret sauce or something. But yeah like I get that same perfectionism pressure 100%.

So I’m very glad that you talk about that, cause I think that is something people often feel alone in or they feel um yeah like they’re stuck because there’s all these things they should be doing and now it’s just weighing down the truck. The truck is stuck in quick sand, it’s sinking, you’re spinning those wheels and nothing happens.

Taking it step by step is so much better. Setting your own pace, like that’s something that like honestly you are eons ahead of many people with – probably myself included in many ways – where you’ve set that boundary for yourself and that’s so impressive.

Jenn: Thank you. You know, last week all of a sudden my traffic is you know couple thousand, but I was going up 100 a day, like every day. It was like 100 more. I’m like okay, you’re like so “what did I do as a human?” I expected it was going to keep going and all a sudden it dropped.

I was like forgetting that the whole rest of the blogging world has been saying the same thing for months and now I can say like oh well on the one hand I’m just like everybody else with like at least I had traffic to lose I mean. And then I realized, you know, there was a lesson in that because quite honestly – like of course there’s a moment of being dramatic and be like “I’m not doing this anymore”. It’s like so silly and I’m not going to not do it because I love doing it but it just feels like you get punched in the gut. And I’m like well yeah that’s what everybody’s been talking about for months. It’s just that now it’s happened to me and I’m like oh okay just like everybody else.

And then I’m like well that’s not going to define me. I’m like who cares. And then I’ve just looked at other things and I’m like really of course this is my business. I’m investing a lot of time and a lot of resources into it, but I’m not doing it just to make money. Like I if I wanted to just make money I could do other things you know. I could do plenty of other things.

Just to remember that like A plus B equals C with like traffic. Plus you know money equals freedom. Like not necessarily not what I’ve need in life.

Nina: No I think that’s a really good point. I mean I’m sorry to hear about the traffic dip and unfortunately like around time of recording there like rumors of another update, and so everything is shaking again. We keep getting aftershocks of everything with Google lately but you’re right like it’s kind of like joining the club unfortunately – at a time where the club is very shaky. It’s unfortunate to like join the club in that way of like “oh well now I’m just like everybody else” but yeah it’s a struggle for sure.

But I think you’re right like you have to have the passion for it. I think you can’t weather any storm if you don’t care about it. And I know a lot of people get into blogging for passion. People get in it for money too, and I don’t think that’s wrong I think as long as there’s some element of passion you can build into it.

So like I’ve ranted about this number of times but starting a blog about something you’ve never experienced, never want to experience, that’s going to be really hard and then when things do take a dip every once in a while like right now TikTok is doing vertical video or horizontal videos for some reason, Instagram is like throttling reach, we have that weird email system having to change, we have Google, we have like – we’re living in a tumultuous minute. And if you don’t like writing it’s not going to be good but I’m glad to be a fellow writer as well you.

Like I used to write books as well, and I did a publishing Masters, so books are close to my heart for sure. I was just talking to my friends on the weekend about it and like remember we all thought we were going to be in publishing and now none of us are. w

Jenn: Wow that’s definitely a tough field I’m sure.

Nina: Oh it’s rough especially with AI. Yeah like that field has got shaken up massively which is not great for the book lovers out there.

Jenn: Yeah I’m sure like blogging has a little bit more freedom you know and versatility. It seems like.

Nina: So when you were creating content and getting to that like few thousand page views a month sort of situation were you finding that there was like one thing that really worked that help you get there, or were you kind of just having fun with it?

Jenn: That is a really good question. Well I broke my my Google analytics at some point and I didn’t notice for months so I kind of lost track you know. So really it’s under, I’ve been under six months with seriously blogging so for probably 20% of that I was flying blind. Like I didn’t even know how Google Analytics worked and then I broke it.

What I would have to say is that I do understand like from my analytics that most readers like to read on using nature to heal as their topic of choice. So I think I like knowing that, well that you know drive every next post. I’m not sure but I don’t have like a cause and effect. Like I’m not really in an experimental phase yet to say “let me try this. Okay this worked, you know?”

I’m a little like, I like a method to my madness but there is still a like “well let’s go with our intuition”, kind of like an art over science. Even though I love the structure and I need the structure, I need things in charts and I that’s why I needed to get into a course because I’m like this is really making me feel like I’m without direction.

So it’s I guess just a mixture and I’m sure if you ask me the same question six months from now, it’ll be a totally different answer.

Nina: Yeah that’s pretty normal though, especially at the beginning of it where you’re trying to like kind of settle on firm ground for yourself. Like that’s totally fair and I think with you, the great thing about your site too, is you came in and you already knew your audience which so many people don’t in the course and just in SEO. They’ll come in they’re like “hey I want to do solo female travel” and I’m like for who?

And you knew who you were working with and I think that’s definitely served you really well, even if maybe you don’t feel like you have a ton of strategy. You have every post on your site, you were writing for those people and that’s so strong. And those are like the people too where you can support them and they’ll keep coming back.

I mean there’s a reason like I got diagnosed with ADHD in September, I go to some ADHD blogs – there’s only a couple I keep going back to time and time again. And it’s because they’re actually talking to me they’re not just like get a study of like I don’t know, they’re restating some study that they also only found on BuzzFeed. So like what that’s not helpful.

But your site like has that unique helpful element that also is so clear who you’re talking to and even though like I’m very new to kind of the world that you’re talking about I can still see bits of myself reflected in it. And you’re a very strong writer too, which is definitely going to serve you as well.

Jenn: Yeah thank you. You know I want to speak to that because all the time when there’s questions about like your course and other courses I always want to chime in and say “Nina tells us to focus on our readers”. Like I want to put it in all caps you know? Because I want whoever is interested to know that that is really important. Because you say it all the time.

After like the 10th or 15th time I’ve heard it delivered, it started to internalize what that means, not just like “oh yeah I know what that means”. It was like oh okay and I think that I had a paradigm shift at that point. So I do think that point it’s a big influence from keeping that in mind all the time. It’s not to be on autopilot. And I teach reading to students and I’m like if your writing is boring you’re going to lose your reader. But it’s just so easy to switch into like the writing mode and have all of these other things distracting me and forget that very important thing.

But I do kind of have in my mind’s eye you know some woman around my age reading this and just hopefully getting something out of it. And that is primarily because it was drilled in to care about.

And it’s not just write to your readers or know you, it’s care about them! There are people. I got to tell you I just listened to the lesson on accessibility and I had a rough idea what accessibility was about, but then you’re like “you might think you know what it’s about, but this is really what it is”. And I learned a lot and at some point because I’ve listened to the lessons and I kind of read people I was like there must be somebody in Nina’s life that has you know accessibility needs. And then you’re like my grandmother does. So at one point when I felt like I was banging my head against the wall in a very long day when I had a cold and I didn’t feel like work on my blog but I was working on my blog I’m like just think of Nina’s grandmother.

Nina: I yeah I talk about her the most but like I also have an aunt with MS. I have like a lot of people in my family who are disabled and so for me it has always been putting that like a face to it and like my Baba is the only person who’s like “I don’t care if people see my picture” so I do put her out there sometimes too.

But I like to humanize it because otherwise you don’t necessarily understand it and I’m really glad that that came through because that lesson is like probably my favorite one in the entire course because I think it is the most important thing that again, like you’re saying, it goes back to caring for your reader and just like you should care for students and stuff. And I – sorry Theo’s spinning my chair now – so like in a lot of like course creation things they talk about care for your student, like care for your client. And I’m like okay in other courses I’ve taken they’re just like just write for Google and I’m like “is Google the person I’m talking to really?” and yeah Google is definitely a part of it. But I think caring for the user is for sure the biggest thing.

And it was funny I was talking to my mom recently and she was like “you’re like so into accessibility” and I’m like everyone should be. I don’t think I’m crazy with it, but I think it’s important.

I will admit though like I was out last night and I yelled at a friend like just like mad I was like “this elevator is not accessible for someone who’s blind” and they were like … you’re not blind. I’m like that doesn’t matter we should care.

Jenn: Yeah I mean I think that just raising your consciousness and your level of awareness because there’s always those spots of like – well I’m a lot older than you so world was very different you know in terms of inclusiveness and just understanding basic human rights really. Honestly there’s always room to grow. It’s definitely important.

Nina: I’m so glad that you got that from this I mean that means a lot too.

Jenn: I do use that I do use the alt text the chat GPT. Yeah sometimes it fights with me. It’s like I can’t do that I’m like you’ve already done this for me ChatGPT.

Nina: Yeah ChatGPT been lazy lately I’ve had to like restart it a few this week and I’m like dude like you are supposed to just be automated what is happening?

Jenn: That’s funny yeah I was like I’m reprimanding AI. I was like I know but I’m frustrated and then I went on the Facebook page and found some fixes and it took a minute but I got it.

Nina: Okay I’m glad. I was actually gonna ask have you been using AI in your blog otherwise Beyond alt text I guess now. I will say to anybody watching you don’t have to.

Jenn: No it’s not off the table at all. I’ve gotten to a place where it’s very clear um as a tool. I think it what I’ve heard it seems pretty common that if you do use and I use the paid version um you can’t not edit it and change like, it’s it’s a great template. It’s a great thing when I’m like I just don’t have the brain power to rewrite this you know succinctly and I’m like please rewrite this and it’ll be like a paragraph here and there. It’s a lot faster more efficient than my brain can be a lot of times. It gets me started you know then just trying to like write one stupid word for the five minutes.

I don’t know I never thought about it but right now I’m thinking you I’m a little bit of a know it all and sometimes when I read what chat writes I’m like that’s not right and I change it.

Nina: But that’s that’s one of my favorite use cases for it that I don’t talk about it because I’m I’m 100% a know-it-all. Hermione Granger growing up I was like that’s just normal like we should all just be like that but I often will if I’m like I just don’t feel motivated to write this, I love correcting people unfortunately, so it really wrong I’m like hey I’ll write the whole thing now. And I’m very spite motivated so I’m like let’s fight ChatGPT for doing a bad job when I just told it write a blog post about Toronto and I’m like no that’s not what I wanted. Well yeah I mean I was at fault there but I will often use it just to like jump start myself. So I think that’s actually a good use.

Jenn: Yeah like I’m doing an itinerary um and I’m looking at a blank screen and I know what I want to include in it because those are the places that I’ve been you know I’ll use it like a template. So when when it generates, it’s a template and then I go in and I add everything that I need to. But it’ll give me like trail specs and stuff like that or distances or weather.

Nina: Then with or without chat GPT regardless of it, a lot of people always ask about like how long people are spending on their blogs every week so I’d love to ask you for an average I mean obviously every week is different, maybe even per month if you prefer but how much time do you like to devote to your blog?

Jenn: So initially I was happy to have like 10 to 15 hours a week I work full-time as a special education teacher and then so rather than everything taking so long it was like things were going quicker so I was able to get a lot more done and as I was able to get a lot more done, I was less frustrated so then I was more willing to stay at it. So it was kind of a domino effect and I think by now I’m doing probably 20, at least 20 hours a week.

Nina: That’s amazing.

Jenn: Yeah and that’s with like going to bed at 6:30 because of my autoimmune disorders but I’m a very like time efficient person too so yeah I think that’s what I just love about ChatGPT. It’s just about the time efficiency.

Nina: Yeah I always think that’s the greatest thing about AI is for so many of us like yeah I’m the same like I don’t have the energy to get through a full day and do everything and this and be and blah like you just can’t and I’m doing a bunch of diagnosis actually for autoimmune disorders as we speak so uh I think we’re twinning a lot more than I realized we might at the beginning. But it is like that is the nice thing about it is that it allows people like us who also aren’t billionaires who can hire like 400 people to do everything.

But actually I wanted to highlight something that you said that I thought was so interesting is the idea that like you can do more because it’s going faster but that actually makes you want to do more hours of work because you’re not frustrated. I haven’t heard anyone say it that eloquently before but that is exactly the way I felt with so much of it. It is like once you start, once you get past that first like barrier of something, it is so much easier to keep doing it and keep pushing through it and it almost becomes more fun then because like yeah you’re not screaming at your computer like why isn’t this working or you’re not staring at the blank page.

And then usually I find at least for me I’m going to reveal some trauma here I guess when I stare at a blank page my brain starts going like if I can’t start writing fast enough like “you’re just dumb like that’s why you can’t write” or something and having anything that can help you push past that is so beneficial. So I’m so glad that it’s working for you. And 20 hours a week is great like that is especially with a full-time job and a full-time job that’s like as intensive as yours because that at any kind of work like, it’s definitely I don’t want to say draining that sounds negative but it is like kind of because you have to give a lot to it – which is great but when you give a lot you don’t have a lot. There’s that whole spoons theory that I don’t love cause I don’t like spoons that much but it’s like you only have so many spoons to give away and those of us who are disabled we have fewer spoons to kind of hand out throughout the day

Jenn: Oh I like that I had never heard of that one. I think I just assumed it was always going to take that long and it was always going to be that frustrating and I was like well guess I can be a martyr I’m like I guess I’ll just do it you know. So I was so delighted when it would go quicker and be more rewarding. It’s more gratifying. And then one that I heard you use and I was like wow I do that too sometimes I do voice command, speech to text because I know what I want to say especially in certain types of pieces or posts. So I speak it into my phone and then I send it to a Google doc and and then when it’s all jumbled because I’m talking the way I talk, not you know talking the way I write then you know I can clean it up some times with ChatGPT.

So I like to use Chat as editing. Like can you please write this somebody can understand what I’m saying.

Nina: I think people don’t realize most of the emails I send I would write like oh pre like when my mobility got bad but I would write most emails as hiking with Theo so they were also like incredibly out of breath. It’s like I’m trying to like chase my golden retriever up a mountain and he’s inevitably chasing something himself cause like somehow he always finds like a football in the middle of the woods. And I’m like why would these just here so I’m like okay is that a football or is that something you shouldn’t have and then I’m trying to be like “by the way keywords” into my phone. That’s where like most of my newsletters come from and then cleaning them up also because like when you’re writing anything SEO related um Voice to Text think it’s either SCO like the letter C or it thinks I’m saying Theo my dog’s name which like some sometimes I am to be fair so to clean it up helps heaps.

And it just it is it’s one of those like kind of like having a micro VA like kind of like an intern VA almost to help you out. It’s a little humbling too because sometimes I’m like wow that’s how I really talk? I sound so uneducated.

I used to have a podcast when I did my dissertation – I got out of writing a dissertation and somehow sweet talked them into letting me record a podcast instead. And editing a podcast you hear all the like weird things that you say over and over again. Like I just kept going “I love that” and I was like stop it – especially if you do all the edits in a day you’re like I hate you why do you talk like this. And then like when I was growing up my dad would yell at me for saying like so often and myself back I was pissed about it so I was like oh no he was right.

Jenn: Isn’t it funny. I just like to share a joke with yourself about yourself that’s even you know more priceless. oh it’s it’s

Nina: We’re about wrapping up now so I just wanted to ask was there anything that you wanted to share to any new travel bloggers that might be feeling a bit disheartened and need any sort of words of wisdom.

Jenn: Join our community. Yeah it’s a gift that keeps on giving. You’ll get so much more than just information and support you know. It’s just more than you, like I said I’ve been at it for about six months and I shared how hard I work I’m only 20% done because there’s so much. It’s so comprehensive and then it’s so fulfilling to have a group of people that you’re learning and growing with. I just think it’s very significant that I did it by myself and I did it with a group. So everybody has to go their own way. I am a loner. I like to be alone and I like to do things myself so that’s coming from me you know that’s my that’s my advice.

Nina: 100% yeah I love that. Well if anyone –

Jenn: I love that I knew you were gonna say that!

Nina: I know damn it I didn’t even catch it. Oh I’ve gotten it back in my head now. No I thought I’d overcome it. Genuinely that’s gonna – that’s gonna – I’m going to be so so mad when I’m going back and posting this. Well fine then I hate that because I don’t know what else to say now.

Well if anyone wants to join the Profitable Part-Time Blogger I will put a link in the description for everybody. Jenn is one of our members and yeah the Profitable Part-Time Blogger is meant to be an all-inclusive like one-stop-shop for your SEO needs but also for affiliate marketing for digital products for emails. There is a reason that Jenn can only get 20% of the way through so far and that’s very much intentional. It’s meant to take you a year to two years to get through that way there’s like stuff ready for you when you hit the next stage of your journey and I’m very excited to kind of get to keep working with you Jenn and see as you keep hitting those roadmarks throughout the Profitable Part-Time Blogger. I did not mean to say that in that great little way but I’m happy I did.

I want to say thank you for joining us and where can my audience find you?

Jenn: Jennfisherbooks.com and can’t wait to see you there.

Nina: So that link again will be in the description as well and we will see you guys later thank you so much for joining!

Jenn: Bye

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